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Well with RAM breaking the ice here comes the flood. First Nissan with the 5.0 Cummins 8 and now Toyota is reportedly testing a Tundra Diesel. The Caveat, Toyota's won't be available until 2017, likely coinciding with the Tundras redesign.

As for info Toyota is tight lipped but initial speculation has Toyota sourcing the same Cummins 8 as Nissan....

Toyota Tundra Diesel Undergoing Testing | AutoGuide.com News
 

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So if they are both using the same engine why buy one over the other. Strange.

I would think they would develop their own engines.
 

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Cummins is the diesel expert. Differences will be in standard features and styling mainly. But the Japanese mainly play second fiddle to the Americans in the pickup truck market. Besides the 5.0 Cummins is not going to be that efficient, its still a 5L V8.

The Ram HDs have been using Cummins for YEARS!
 

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what i never understood about the japanese trucks is that they never sold them as a dually, with diesel versions becoming available, how possible is it that we'll see a diesel dually japanese truck?
 

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I think the Japanese have accepted that they are second fiddle in the pickup market. To pour money and resources into a heavy duty truck that will sell in very low volumes is a poor use of assets IMO...

to put it in perspective, through october 2013 YTD sales pickups:

F-series 623,309
Silverado 403,435
RAM 292,633

Tundra 91,734
Titan 13,277
 

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The jap trucks dont compete with the domestic brands at all but they are still dollars for them so they continue to sell them.
 

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The pick-up truck is part and parcel with American culture. Even if the Japanese made a great truck, it would still have to compete against the F-Series, Silverado and RAM and those would do better simply because they are American.
 

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The pick-up truck is part and parcel with American culture. Even if the Japanese made a great truck, it would still have to compete against the F-Series, Silverado and RAM and those would do better simply because they are American.
The Japanese trucks are good but they hardly come close to delivering the amount of power as American trucks, for some it's the only reason why they would buy American, for trucks.
 

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The pick-up truck is part and parcel with American culture. Even if the Japanese made a great truck, it would still have to compete against the F-Series, Silverado and RAM and those would do better simply because they are American.
lol there is some truth to it

when it comes to trucks people are loyal to their brands
 

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its more about brand loyalty, the Toyota Tunda makes best in class HP at 381 hp yet look at its sales number ^^^^
 

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HP is only one aspect of buying a truck :)
of course, there's TORQUE.

Trucks are meant to be put to work and the only way to get this is by torque. If it was the other way around.... more HP over torque, it will be like a prius towing stuff on a construction site.
 

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I was responding to this comment by LOA

The Japanese trucks are good but they hardly come close to delivering the amount of power as American trucks, for some it's the only reason why they would buy American, for trucks.
torque is not power, horsepower is power :D

all 6 of the half ton pickups are clustered around 390-400... the Tundra is 401 if you were wondering...

You also need to remember that 70% of pickups bought are not put to work, they're simply used as family vehicles...
 
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