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To those of you with an order in already, just curious what it was that motivated you to place an order on the EcoDiesel sight unseen?

Familiar with RAM already
Mileage number was enough for you
Mind made up long ago...

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conversely to those of you who didn't, why are you waiting?
 

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I've actually debated on purchasing a truck for the last year. The only thing holding me back was the loss of MPG from my car. I would tow with my wife's Tahoe when needed. I actually was looking at a 2014 FX4 EB until my brother in law told me about the Ecodiesel. He actually has two Rams and I've always liked them, especially his Laramie. I researched the Ram 1500 and test drove a bunch and fell in love. So I did more research on it for a month, and ordered first day that I could.
 

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There is really not much to see

You can go and see a 1500 and its pretty much what the ecodiesel will be like

Now I know test driving one would be nice to see what sort of feel you get for the motor.. I do hope to test drive one soon but the dealer doesnt seem like they are getting any demo models.
 

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There is really not much to see

You can go and see a 1500 and its pretty much what the ecodiesel will be like

Now I know test driving one would be nice to see what sort of feel you get for the motor.. I do hope to test drive one soon but the dealer doesnt seem like they are getting any demo models.
Thats something I think a lot of people missed, they think it's supposed to be a whole new truck but it's just a powertrain option
 

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Well the powertrain is after all the heart and soul of the truck. Ever try and drive a truck without a powertrain ;) I don't think people are confusing the EcoDiesel for a whole new model, but for many they are buying based on engine not based on brand.

Plenty of sales will be conquests over other brands so you're getting a good chunk of buyers who have next to no experience with the RAM brand. You could throw me into that category...
 

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Once people actually start getting these home and seeing how they hold to up to real life, there will be a much clearer picture of just how good the EcoDiesel Ram 1500 is. I wanted to wait for some reviews from blogs and forums before making a decision. You never know what kind of issues could happen and I don't want to be stuck with a vehicle that has huge problems I could have avoided by simply being more patient.
 

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I have been waiting for a small diesel in a big truck for years. I average 30k miles a year so this engine makes a huge difference for me. I currently drive a 2010 Tundra 5.7L V8 and average 13.5 mpg. Ten more mpg's will save me close to a 1000 gallons of fuel in a year. Not bad. Ram nailed it. This is a great combination of size, efficiency and comfort. Had rams in the past and never had major quality issues. This engine has been proven in Europe. I'm totally confident.
 

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I have been waiting for a small diesel in a big truck for years. I average 30k miles a year so this engine makes a huge difference for me. I currently drive a 2010 Tundra 5.7L V8 and average 13.5 mpg. Ten more mpg's will save me close to a 1000 gallons of fuel in a year. Not bad. Ram nailed it. This is a great combination of size, efficiency and comfort. Had rams in the past and never had major quality issues. This engine has been proven in Europe. I'm totally confident.
I heard the tundra might get a cummins diesel, would you ever consider getting that one day?
 

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I heard the tundra might get a cummins diesel, would you ever consider getting that one day?
There is something about the idea of a Japanese made truck that just doesn't appeal to me. I associate trucks with America and I would limit my selection to American brands personally. Its not just because of the country of origin, i also think that American truck s are simply better than Japanese ones.
 

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I heard the tundra might get a cummins diesel, would you ever consider getting that one day?
I don't know why Toyota having their own great 4.5L turbo diesel V8 would ever want to buy a brand new unproven cummins engine. It must be the tough US emissions or some other politics. Toyotas are good trucks but for now with unchanged engine lineup it is no match for the Ram ecodiesel. Time will tell. I doubt that aluminum F-150 will come close to Rams average 25mpg. Sooner or later they all will have to put diesel, diesel hybrid or electric powertrains to stay competitive. For now I don't see myself in anything but Ram especially since for the first time in my life I bought a $55k truck without even test driving it. Crazy. Below specs of Toyota's big oil burner:

4.5L TOYOTA DIESEL V8
Configuration:
V8 Turbodiesel DOHC
Displacement:
4.5 liters
Block/Head Material:
• Compact graphite iron (CGI) block.
• Cast aluminum cylinder heads.
Injection:
Common rail
Aspiration:
Twin turbocharged
Horsepower:
265 hp @ 3,400 rpm
Torque:
480 lb-ft @ 1,600 rpm
 

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There is something about the idea of a Japanese made truck that just doesn't appeal to me. I associate trucks with America and I would limit my selection to American brands personally. Its not just because of the country of origin, i also think that American truck s are simply better than Japanese ones.
I owned many GM and Chrysler pickup trucks. When I bought my 2010 Tundra, there was not much else out there that I really liked. I was scoping GMC 2500 duramax but turned out to be too expensive and unnecessarily harsh, big and thirsty for my needs back then. I don't like Fords period. Wasn't crazy about 2010 Rams either. I liked Tundra's styling and the silky smooth, strong and equally thirsty 5.7L V8. My Tundra now has 120k miles without a single visit to a dealer other than oil changes. And then it came 2014 Ram ecodiesel. Perfect combination of everything I wanted. Tundra is ready to go anyway due to mileage (I don't usually keep trucks this long). So although I don't agree that Japs can't build light duty trucks, currently I'm patiently waiting for my ecodiesel Ram Laramie Limited.
 

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Also, those Tundras have been designed here and are being built by Americans in Texas. Just the profits go across the pond if there are any. I don't even think Tundra is available for sale in Japan. Not sure though. Enough about Tundra. This is Ram ecodiesel forum.
 

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There is something about the idea of a Japanese made truck that just doesn't appeal to me. I associate trucks with America and I would limit my selection to American brands personally. Its not just because of the country of origin, i also think that American truck s are simply better than Japanese ones.
Why do you think that? Not that it's wrong or anything but is this based off of facts or are you just biased?
 

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what does toyota use that 4.5L diesel in?
I bet that based on prospective sales of Tundra diesel in US, the effort to get their own engine to comply with our emission standards is cost prohibitive. It is cheaper to buy a few thousand Cummins mills and see how they sell. Btw, I heard that Chrysler only needed some very minor tweaking to ecodiesel to get it US certified.
 

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I don't know why Toyota having their own great 4.5L turbo diesel V8 would ever want to buy a brand new unproven cummins engine. It must be the tough US emissions or some other politics. Toyotas are good trucks but for now with unchanged engine lineup it is no match for the Ram ecodiesel. Time will tell. I doubt that aluminum F-150 will come close to Rams average 25mpg. Sooner or later they all will have to put diesel, diesel hybrid or electric powertrains to stay competitive. For now I don't see myself in anything but Ram especially since for the first time in my life I bought a $55k truck without even test driving it. Crazy. Below specs of Toyota's big oil burner:

4.5L TOYOTA DIESEL V8
Configuration:
V8 Turbodiesel DOHC
Displacement:
4.5 liters
Block/Head Material:
• Compact graphite iron (CGI) block.
• Cast aluminum cylinder heads.
Injection:
Common rail
Aspiration:
Twin turbocharged
Horsepower:
265 hp @ 3,400 rpm
Torque:
480 lb-ft @ 1,600 rpm
I know why, Its all based on brand recognition. Toyota has seen the success RAM has had with the Cummins name on their HD's and wanted to capitalize.

I cant find figures for anything but Half Tons, but I'm willing to bet that not only does Ford not have the same dominance on the HD market as they do with H/T's, but that RAM is much more competitive. My theory as said above is that its all based on the Cummins...
 

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depending on how well trucks like the 1500 diesel and the titan diesel and tundra diesel sell - we will probably see more diesel engine options in the US for all size of trucks.
 

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I bet that based on prospective sales of Tundra diesel in US, the effort to get their own engine to comply with our emission standards is cost prohibitive. It is cheaper to buy a few thousand Cummins mills and see how they sell. Btw, I heard that Chrysler only needed some very minor tweaking to ecodiesel to get it US certified.
the A 630 is euro spec, L 630 is ours and the High Powered one is for Maserati...

V6 Motors Engine: A 630 DOHC , L 630 DOHC, A 630 DOHC HP - VM Motori
 
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