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Rumors are that Nissan is adding a new player to the diesel truck market with a Cummins Diesel V8 in their Titan



Engine is rumored to make 300hp and 500 lb-ft of torque. That would mean Nissan would have the torquiest light duty truck in America.

Sound attractive?

 

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this sounds very attractive coming from Nissan.
Do you know anything else about this? It's MPG's? Possible towing capacity?
 

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I'll be interested to hear what the fuel efficiency is like with this engine. They could be onto something if their engine has fuel economy equal to or better than the diesel ram. It certainly seems like it will be able to keep up as far as capabilities go.
 

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its a v8 diesel. RAM considered the cummins 8 for the 1500 based on their HD relationship with cummins, but in the end its still a V8. Diesel or not a V6 is always more fuel efficient.
 

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... but in the end its still a V8. Diesel or not a V6 is always more fuel efficient.
Not sure I agree with the generalized statement that "a V6 is always more fuel efficient".

I agree in this case, the V6 will be more efficient than the V8. But it has to do with displacement, not the number of cylinders. Perhaps you meant to say "The 3.0 is always more fuel efficient than the 5.0"

Fewer cylinders usually means smaller displacement, but not always. The Cummins diesel in the Ram HD has only 6 cylinders and is less efficient than the Cummins V8.
 

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I read In and article some where, that Nissan did this because there truck sales were way down, and people have been wanting a Diesel in a light duty pick up for quite some time. Also I heard Nissan took a big gamble with Cummins on this deal and the cost of the engine was quite high.

I think Dodge just blew them out of the water with there 3.0L It has more torque then Dodges first 5.9L
 

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I read In and article some where, that Nissan did this because there truck sales were way down, and people have been wanting a Diesel in a light duty pick up for quite some time.
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Its because previous RAM CEO Fred Diaz was working with Cummins to get a light duty Cummins diesel in a light duty RAM (what I really wanted). But then FIAT bought Chrysler (and Ram with it) and Fiat killed the Cummins diesel in favor of their own italian diesel (which is a nice motor too).

So Fred Diaz left Ram and went to Nissan where he continued plans with Cummins on the light duty V8 diesel and thats why we will see it in a Nissan instead of a Ram.

Oddly, the next-gen Nissan will use Ram underpinnings, including the highly praised coil-spring rear suspension. Which will all make the new Titan a formidable truck ... on paper.

But for me, looks still matter and the Ram is the best looking truck out there. Hands down. End of story. Period. :D
 

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Its because previous RAM CEO Fred Diaz was working with Cummins to get a light duty Cummins diesel in a light duty RAM (what I really wanted). But then FIAT bought Chrysler (and Ram with it) and Fiat killed the Cummins diesel in favor of their own italian diesel (which is a nice motor too). [/QUOTE ]

Yes your absolutely right. It will be interesting to see what the price of the Nissan will be with the Cummins. The price for the Dodge is very affordable and people look at price not loyalty. Hope this VM motor is a good one. Dodge doesn't need problems with there Diesel. Cummins made Dodge what they are today.
 

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I think the Titan will have good sales numbers with the Cummins engine

I have a feeling it wont come cheap though. Not at all.
 

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Its because previous RAM CEO Fred Diaz was working with Cummins to get a light duty Cummins diesel in a light duty RAM (what I really wanted). But then FIAT bought Chrysler (and Ram with it) and Fiat killed the Cummins diesel in favor of their own italian diesel (which is a nice motor too).

So Fred Diaz left Ram and went to Nissan where he continued plans with Cummins on the light duty V8 diesel and thats why we will see it in a Nissan instead of a Ram.

Oddly, the next-gen Nissan will use Ram underpinnings, including the highly praised coil-spring rear suspension. Which will all make the new Titan a formidable truck ... on paper.
Some of this is not entirely accurate.

RAM and Nissan were working jointly to develop new 1/2 ton trucks with a diesel and the same chassis, different bodies/interior. That deal fell thru. Nissan continued the relationship with Cummins and developed their new Titan in-house - it will share NOTHING with RAM. RAM decided that the Cummins 5.0 would not meet their target MPG, and instead decided on the VM 3.0.

Now, if you have seen a credible report of the 2015 Diesel Titan slated to use the same underpinnings as the RAM 1500, please provide the link. I'll say again, that was the ORIGINAL plan, but that partnership fell apart some time ago (2011 I think it was).

True, Nissan needs to update the Titan's looks (and they will), but I don't consider it an ugly truck by any means. IMO, the F150 is ugly. I would agree that RAM has the "sexiest" looking truck, but looks aren't everything. The new Titan will out-perform the RAM 1500 in just about every meaningful category EXCEPT fuel mileage. And the difference will be minimal, possibly even equal or better once loaded near capacity. The RAM 1500 has a relatively low towing capacity as well (6700 lbs.), and I expect the Titan to hit close to (or over) 11,000 lbs. (current models are up to 9400 lbs. with the 5.6 gas engine).

Then, take the RAM and add lift and bigger tires, and the MPG gap between an equally-lifted/tired Titan will evaporate. Mark my words, I'll bet money on it.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Titan. Not sure if I will go for it, as economics need to prove it worthwhile before I'll jump (my truck is paid for, and I really want an RV). If Nissan butchers the looks, then I'll likely consider the RAM (or just go 3/4 ton RAM).
 

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LCR - please cite your source for towing capacity. My latest edition of Diesel Power, where they compared a RAM 1500 ecoDiesel to a 2500 6.7 (equally equipped), lists the GCWR as 12,800 lbs. with a towing capacity of 6,700. Of course, that's a crew-cab 4x4. So, maybe a regular-cab 4x2 might have a 9,200 lb. tow rating, but that's not what most people buy I'll bet (and I still doubt the 4x2 RC will be rated to tow 9,200 - it's lighter than a CC 4x4, but not 2,500 lbs. lighter). See this article: Is the Regular Cab Pickup Doomed? - PickupTrucks.com News

So, for all intents and purposes, the average truck buyer will be stuck with about a 7,000 lb. towing limit (which for most people will likely be just fine) with the RAM 1500 ecoDiesel.
 

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So, unless a buyer goes with the 3.92 ratio or a 4x2 regular cab, they are limited to about 7k. Of course the 3.92 ratio will cause a drop in mpg. I still think the 5.0 would have been the better choice overall, and I know the Nissan will tow more (2-3k more) comparably equipped, and likely with an insignificant mileage hit. Only time will tell.....
 

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So, unless a buyer goes with the 3.92 ratio or a 4x2 regular cab, they are limited to about 7k. Of course the 3.92 ratio will cause a drop in mpg. I still think the 5.0 would have been the better choice overall, and I know the Nissan will tow more (2-3k more) comparably equipped, and likely with an insignificant mileage hit. Only time will tell.....
The mileage difference between 3.55 and 3.92 is insignificant.
 

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I'm also looking forward to seeing the Nissan Titan Diesel as well as the Tundra diesel

I think more competition is good for all of us.
 

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Diesel in a Titan will be sweet, in a truck as small as that, wow.
If it actually happens I can see it being popular.
 
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