[Accused]

He knows it means big trouble for the rest of the industry. Its a major shift in not only manufacturing but also thinking. Seriously, its that big a deal. Ford is already talking about aluminium construction for its CUV's next. Peter De Lorenzo knows the game...

The Most Significant vehicle to the U.S. market and the Industry at Large: The Ford F-150. The hand-wringing over the new, aluminum-intensive F-150 by certain spineless weasels in the esteemed automotive media was ha-ha laughable. They spent all their time whining about whether the “700 pounds” of weight savings was a mirage and totally missed the point altogether. This truck is a flat-out a game changer and a grand slam home run, pure and simple. Yes, Ford is hanging their asses out in the breeze and it will affect their short-term profitability, but eighteen months from now they will be so far ahead of the rest of the industry it won’t even be close. Notice you didn’t hear the competition throwing darts or grousing about the F-150, because they know exactly what it means. It’s where the entire industry will be going – car and truck - and now they’re all of a sudden five years behind. A gutsy, brilliant play by Ford that will change this industry forever.

http://www.autoextremist.com/curren...e-pretty-good-the-really-bad-and-the-jus.html

And all of a sudden the EcoDiesel is not so significant anymore. RAM can keep running its back to back ToY award winner commercials all they want, but those who know, well they know don't they...

 

[L.O.A.]

I can't lie, the F150 is amazing, seen a few video's of it at Detroit and it really is once again the top dog of trucks. Once again it will kill sales. Ford can't be topped. Sadly ram will continue to fall right under.

 

[tugboat]

The F150 continues to be the best selling truck. Anything they do will just make it even better.

Ram has a long way to catch up. But I don't think they even bother with the numbers game.

They just try to make the Ram better in other ways.

Pick your poison. They both work. (though the F150 is better reviewed)

 

[L.O.A.]

Making the Ram better is just about the only thing they can do at this point. No way will they be able to catch up with F-150 volume. Offering a Ram Diesel 1500 is one of the great ways they can go about it, thankfully it's here.

 

[Diesel Washington]

Asked this in another thread, but is anyone planning on buying a next-gen F-150 instead of the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel? The fuel efficiency was a big pull for me towards the Ecodiesel but now I am rethinking.

 

[Accused]

I am as well!

 

[L.O.A.]

Asked this in another thread, but is anyone planning on buying a next-gen F-150 instead of the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel? The fuel efficiency was a big pull for me towards the Ecodiesel but now I am rethinking.

After seeing info about it when the Detroit show media day ended i serious considered getting one. I think i will wait for both the diesel ram and new F150 to come out before i decide. I'll want to test both before buying.

 

[tugboat]

If you are not brand loyal I would simple go for the one which gives you better mileage and matches your requirements in payload.

Unless there is something you like about one exterior or interior wise over the other...

 

[L.O.A.]

being brand loyal is good, just not good when you fail to see which is better and TBH Ford is looking good right now.
i'm open to what ever is good, always best to wait and test both. this will be a long-term truck and i want to make a wise buying decision

 

[tugboat]

Ford has a huge following. The new F150 is a very attractive option. But its still not a diesel and there are some who are loyal to diesel in itself

Diesel engines are just dam reliable.

But we will see.. When they are both available to go head to head we can compare the pricing as well as payload and performance.

I can already tell you right now that it'll be a pros and cons game

There is no ONE truck that is the PERFECT one for everyone.

Everyone has different needs and wants as well as expectations and views.

 

[L.O.A.]

You're right that it's not a diesel. It will eventually get a diesel but not soon enough, the next best thing is the Ram diesel but who knows if F-150 loyalists will even consider a Ram.

 

[Hershey]

The new 2015 F-150 is a lot of smoke & mirrors. Consumer Reports has already made loose predictions that an aluminum body will be astronomically expensive to repair (higher insurance costs). Those of us that live in hail storm country know not to touch that thing with a 10 ft pole until it's proven. I don't think Ford will have such a big jump as some may think...just saying.

 

[mattyj724]

The new 2015 F-150 is a lot of smoke & mirrors. Consumer Reports has already made loose predictions that an aluminum body will be astronomically expensive to repair (higher insurance costs). Those of us that live in hail storm country know not to touch that thing with a 10 ft pole until it's proven. I don't think Ford will have such a big jump as some may think...just saying.

I have to agree here. Maybe for cars this is great. but they are making trucks here and i think we will see a weaker body and higher repair cost. Not to mention that the ECOBoost engine hasnt really proven itself in higher miles yet. Also thier fuel economy Sucks if towing anything at all.

 

[Accused]

Thats my beef with forced induction generally. If the engine can't do the job without being force fed, RUN don't walk. Adding that much stress into a complex system is BEGGING for problems, and there have been. SO yea.

I mean as a mileage thing straight up, steady state driving, no loads, yea the 150 puts up a decent fight. Introduce work and its over.

Ford is selling a simulation

 

[ED_Lover]

All I can say is if I loaded my old Silverado up with 700 pounds or my EcoDiesel for that matter, MPG changed not one iota. So while the F150 may be lighter, it will most certainly be more expensive initially and for any subsequent repairs. What are you getting in return for that additional expense?


I actually seriously considered buying an EcoBoost instead of the EcoDiesel based on what I had heard from people about it. Once I actually researched the engine and found that most people were getting the same or worse MPG compared to a V8 I started looking elsewhere. Ford sells the idea of a good truck, RAM just sells a good truck.

 

[zoomie]

We've seen over and over the attempts at smaller trucks with 6 cyl engines trying to get better mileage than the full size V8 package with very little luck.

I remember the old toyotas built on a car platform with 4 cyl and manual transmissions. Those were the only one's that got decent mileage but North America just doesn't buy those I guess. They are still very popular all over the world where fuel is really expensive.

I would not be in a truck at all if it was not for this diesel. The real world mileage sold it for me.

 

[10%More]

Found it strange the original posters wrote so much hate into the Ram Ecodiesel 1500 with literally no factual basis.


The aluminum hood on my truck dented easily and I did have trouble getting it repaired. Bet those new Fords will dent all-over quickly. Remember - this is a work vehicle, not a passenger ride. I wish my hood was steel.


Towing literally requires a diesel engine. That hideous high rpm gassers run under tow rips fuel mileage apart because they just do not have torque like a diesel. If you use the truck as a truck there's no way you would want a gasser if you are informed. There are some real uninformed people running around.


Speaking about uninformed, what about the history of recent F-150 Fords and their frontend/hub/braking design? Think they changed the design in 2008 to a complete "throw-away" with poor wear characteristics.


Ford ever fix their turbo problems?


Just view that video of an all-aluminum Ford reduced to ashes and ask yourself if that's something you want.


700 lbs, of weight savngs, for all the trouble of aluminum and gas engines, is not worth anything and counterproductive for towing mass and control.


The Ecodiesel 1500 is a light-duty pickup that you can use as a truck and get good fuel mileage with the satisfaction of diesel operation. There's little of that with the new Ford F-150.